Balance & Beyond Podcast

Ever felt like your confidence vanished overnight?

That spark of self-trust gradually eroded by society's constant message that you're simply not enough? You're far from alone.

In this transformative conversation with Cortney McDermott—motivational speaker, bestselling author, and advisor to Fortune 500 executives—we uncover the hidden path back to trusting yourself in a world designed to keep you searching elsewhere.

Cortney reveals how our relentless pursuit of external success creates what she calls being "miserably successful"—checking all society's boxes while feeling empty inside. But rather than offering another complicated solution, she shares a revolutionary approach: rest as the gateway to reclaiming your power.

"True confidence is self-trust," Cortney explains, challenging us to move beyond masculine-energy approaches to transformation that focus solely on results. Instead, she invites us to remember our innate feminine wisdom through micro-moments of relaxation, play, and embodiment that compound over time like interest.

Through powerful stories and practical guidance, you'll discover how even two minutes of horizontal rest can shift your brainwave frequencies, why your body holds the key to releasing years of stagnant energy, and how to unlock what Cortney calls "the certificate of enough-ness" that can only come from within.

Whether you're feeling the whispers of "is this all there is?" or facing a full-blown Phoenix moment of transformation, this episode offers a permission slip to relax into your authentic power. Because your journey back to self-trust isn't about adding more—it's about remembering what you've always known.

Ready to transform your relationship with rest, reclaim your confidence, and access your inner wisdom? This conversation might just change everything.

Want to see more of Cortney? You can fin her here!

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Episode Transcript

INTRO: Welcome to Balance and Beyond, the podcast for ambitious women who refuse to accept burnout as the price of success. Here, we’re committed to empowering you with the tools and strategies you need to achieve true balance, where your career, relationships and health all thrive, and where you have the power to define success on your own terms. I honour the space you’ve created for yourself today, so take a breath, and let's dive right in…

Jo (Host)

So many women tell me that they don't trust themselves anymore, whether their confidence just vanished overnight or it's been eroded, little tiny indecision by indecision. What do you think causes this lack of trust in ourselves and how perhaps is it linked to confidence as well?

Cortney McDermott (Guest)    

 Well, the lack of trust in ourselves is, it's almost a miracle if we have trust in ourselves sometimes because we're being bombarded constantly by messages saying that we're not enough. I remember 20 years ago, I read a statistic somewhere that the average person was exposed to something like 20,000 advertisements a day. And I can't even imagine with scrolling now what that looks like.

But the point is every single one's kind of telling you you're not good enough, you're not smart enough, you're not whatever enough, you're just not enough. And so buy this thing or do these five steps and then you'll be enough. And I always tell people whenever you hear or see something like that, please, please, please run in the opposite direction.

It's like anyone who tells you that they have your answers and they're gonna cure whatever this is, because it's again, it's a further distraction from the truth that lies within you. So the fact that you mentioned trust and confidence in the same place, true confidence is that it's a trust. It's a trust in yourself. It's a trust in life.

And that kind of trust, as far as I can tell, it really comes from you getting with yourself and really internally kind of, I want to say settling the unsettlement that we've placed on ourselves and that has been placed upon us. And then coming to a place where you start to again gain more and more of this self-trust, which is true confidence, yeah.

Jo (Host)

Mm. I love that. How do you find so many women you say get quiet within ourselves, but when you've got a to-do list, you've got a career, you've got kids, the excuse is often, I don't have time for that. Have you seen my list? I've got too much shit to do. How do you find women need to overcome this living in our heads and that constant doing to actually rebuild it and find that?

Cortney McDermott (Guest) 

I love that you're asking this. So first of all, I like to kind of borrow from the Dalai Lama. He was talking about meditation, but I'm talking about rest, just to be really clear. One of the things that was said was something like, if you think you don't have five minutes to meditate, then please take an hour.

And that's often what I'll tell people when they're running around, you know, chicken headless kind of situation is, hey, I promise you, because I promise on the other side of learning how to rest is, so much greater, if you want, the results, but even just so much greater feeling and that confidence and that self-trust that we were talking about a moment ago.

It's funny too, because sometimes people think, well, I don't have the time, I can't reset. But truly what the studies have shown and what I know personally from my own experience is that if you take three minutes, five minutes, even just a minute or two to shake out your body or just lay down, just get horizontal so that you're sending messages to your body that you can shift brainwave frequencies, that you can actually move into frequencies that are conducive with things like learning or just being your best self, right?

And when I see your best self, it means you're showing up joyously to whatever the heck's in front of you. Now we all have a lot of things going on all the time, but I think what I would say is one, learn how to just incorporate those little pockets, right? It's not all at once. It's these micro investments and starting to shift the scales.

And the funniest thing happens actually, it's like, almost like you start to find the levers. You know how Archimedes said, me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to put it and I shall move the world, right? It's like all of sudden we start to become more aware of these levers and especially we as women.

 We have this in spades. If we go lay down and time out for even a few minutes, we get a lot of answers because we're kind of designed more to receive as far as I can tell. so it's like, okay, giving ourselves permission, which is also why I wrote that second book, but really giving ourselves permission and allowing the relaxation so that we can actually move into being able to.

Most of these women are wonder women listening to this. so it's like, you want to keep that up. You want to be able to sustain that. We really do need to learn how to incorporate some rest. And I can talk more about that if you want, but I do know that it's changed everything for me.

Jo (Host)

Yeah, this way permission is a big one, isn't it? It's something that so many women struggle to do. What have you found, whether it's your personal experience or your work with others, what stops us giving ourselves permission to just get horizontal? 

Cortney McDermott (Guest)

Hmm. Well, I think lots of times, frankly, it's just that we're in the wrong frequency.

And this is the clearest, most direct way that I can find to explain why we feel we have to keep running around. Because if you're in beta, especially if you're somewhere between mid to high range beta, which is what most people are operating in in their waking hours. So if you're in that frequency, which is just hertz per second or cycles per second of your brain waves, you're going to feel frazzled.

You are going to feel like you have to keep running and you have to keep things moving and you got to do all this stuff. The minute you start to shift even just into low beta, which literally you can do in one minute, even 30 seconds. And I, you know, offer different ways of doing this. Yawning, for example, is a great way to do it. 30 seconds of yawning.

But it's really just moving into and saying, look, I'm going to shift frequencies because that's the only way that I can keep up, like I said. But ultimately, the more you learn to do this, the less you have to keep up with everything. And the more it's just kind of kept up through you, if that makes sense.

Jo (Host)

Mm hmm. Yeah. I love, often talk about the brainwave zones. Joe Dispenza was someone who introduced me to this kind of beautiful world through meditation and all that. But as you said, it's giving out, let me start again. I'm wondering if for many women understanding more about how their brainwaves work and that there's almost a logical reason to rest. Do you find that helps them with permission that there's an ROI to lie down because so many women are wired that way?

Cortney McDermott (Guest)

Well, there is, and at the same time, I would love to take us away from this because even for instance, I love Jota Spencer, fantastic, although it's still a very masculine approach to transformation, to change, to shifting the way you show up in the world. And so it becomes about an ROI. It becomes, I'm going to meditate so that. Meditation is not about getting somewhere. Meditation is about being right where you are.

And you can meditate while you're getting your nails done. You can, and I'm not saying meditate in terms of chanting a mantra and holding a mudra. I'm saying like, you can meditate just by getting with life. That's meditation. And that's actually what we're all designed to do. And this sort of penetrative approach that we often take to practices like that negates the purpose of the practice itself.

It kind of, again, puts us in this hamster wheel of I've got to get somewhere rather than, wow, I can enjoy right where I am which can be just the cosmos in the chaos. And I do truly believe that as women, that's how we're designed. And so when I talk about laying down, that's one of the reasons why I don't really talk that much about meditation practices or breath work, quote unquote, know, anything like that. I will often say, please just lay down, like just get horizontal. And the more you start doing that, then it might at the beginning, it might feel very uncomfortable.

You'll probably feel this in your body, almost like your body can't rest into the surface that it's laying upon, which is another. I mean, we could go on and on about that, but in terms of just molecular structures and stuff. But anyhow, I digress. The point is the more we can sort of just relax into the moment is the more powerful we become. And especially, like I said, as women, but in general, this goes for men as well. 

Jo (Host)

Yeah. What do you find? love that you said, know, Joe Dispenza, that a lot of advice out there is through more of that masculine lens. is the ROI. It is illogical. And for many women who've been in corporate, that's the way their brain has become wired. That's how they see their worth. What in your view then would be some other ways we could be looking at confidence or building trust or taking the rest that we need through a more feminine energetic lens?

Cortney McDermott (Guest)

Yeah. Oh my gosh. So, all right. I dedicated a whole chapter in this second book to play because what I realized was all the women that I knew and I know some badass, powerful, amazing women. I don't know if I can swear at this podcast, but anyway, I know some really incredible, phenomenal women, right? And a lot of them are close friends and a lot of them are clients. And what I see over and over is like we just kind of lose this connection with play, almost like we forgot how to play.

 

We forgot our kids selves and I'm reminded of that passage, know, unless you become again as children, you shall not inherit the kingdom. Like, just try to remember and it might be something that doesn't sound like play to other people. Like for instance, honestly, one of my favorite things to do that I consider play is reading and most people be like, my God, that is so boring. That's not playful. But for me, that's what I did when I was a kid.

That was one of my favorite times, and still is to this day. I love to curl up with a book, especially if I love curling up with books that are books that I'm learning, but I also love curling up with books that I just get entertainment out of, right? And so it's like, what does that look like for you? And really kind of try and it's going to be hard. I know so many, I've met so many women and probably a lot of the women listening to this where they're like, I have no idea even anymore what sounds like fun. And when I hear that, 

 I say, okay, go back to step one, which is relax. Like go back to the place where you just lay down on the couch for a few minutes and give yourself permission to do that. Cause again, I promise and I don't make promises lightly that the more you start incorporating that, the more you're actually gonna, the more energy you're gonna have, the more lightness of being like, I have had physical, dramatic physical changes in my form just by learning how to relax and play.

And I sometimes will show this in presentations I give around the world because people can't recognize me from 10 years ago. They do not recognize me as the same human being.

And we've got to as women because this is what for it. Well, we don't have to do anything. We get we have this invitation to kind of go back to an ancient knowing about what it means to be feminine and relaxed and receptive and then imparting our gifts on our families, on our on the world into the world. And that's yeah, I feel like that's just our sacred invitation right now. Yeah. 

Jo (Host)

Yeah, I love that. What do you see opens up as women are able to unlock perhaps this other side of themselves, of their being, their knowing of their wisdom? What do you see shift in someone's life in the people you work with?

Cortney McDermott (Guest)    

Oh, wow, massive shifts. mean, I was just on a call with a client yesterday who said because we, you know, we've we were working together a couple of years ago and she called me and she's just had so many what people would consider miraculous changes in her life. And she said to me, wow, you know, I really I really attribute it to this work.

And I said, really, you need to attribute it to the fact that you were willing to die to your former selves because we have to, part of what we're, if you're listening and this is in resonance, it's like part of what has to happen is the Phoenix has to blow up. And that's so uncomfortable. It's like, dang, I got to all the places and that was what my first book was about. I got to all the places that society says, this is success. Like as soon as you hit this mark, then you've got it, right?

So all the accolades and the titles and the jet setting and, you know, whatever it was, the Jimmy Choos and the marathon running and the mother and the wife and all the things. And it was like, holy crap, I'm what I called miserably successful.

And you know, there's that point that comes this point where it's like, when is it ever going to be enough? And the only one who's going to be able to give you that certificate of enough-ness and certificate of, know, beautitude and all of the things is really you.

And it's really, we've become so trained and entrained into the idea that it rests outside of us and we need to come back. And every client I've worked with, every stage I've been on, this is what people talk about is like a coming back. That's what we say when people come to me and I've mean, or whoever it is, whenever they come to me, one of the first things I say is, I don't have your answers.

But you do. And when you start learning to really source from that place, that inner intelligence, game's over. Like you're in a whole new, you're not even in a game anymore. You're kind of dancing around on the stage wherever you want to go.

Jo (Host)

Absolutely. What do you see are the common threads where women have reached that point? Because I see so many women hearing whispers about, this all there is? What do you find causes people to step over that threshold, whether it's the, all right, it's the Phoenix moment, or it's the, I've just had enough, rather than waiting to be whacked with a cancer diagnosis or a divorce? What do you find helps women make that declaration that. I'm done. It's time to shift.

Cortney McDermott (Guest)    

You know, I wish I had the answer to that question. I will say that I've seen so many, unfortunately, who've come to the cancer diagnosis or the critical breakup or whatever it was that kind of forced the disruption that they knew had to come. And that's part of my work is trying to shorten that learning curve. And that's one of the reasons why I often start from the place that everyone thinks they want to get and say, it's empty.

There was this really great story I remember reading once. It's such a great story. I don't know if it's in print anymore. It was called Hope for the Butterflies. And it was all of these caterpillars climbing these caterpillar pillars to try to get to the top. And anyway, there's this one caterpillar who decides to just opt out and she just goes down. And it's a longer story than this. It's quite beautiful.

But she opts out and she goes down and her name's Yellow and she becomes a magnificent yellow butterfly and kind of sends the signal, the message to the other caterpillars that there's nothing there, but there's a whole world down here if you'll just stop.

And so I think sometimes for me, at least what I've seen lots of times is people just need that reminder. I think all learning is remembering. Aristotle said that actually. It's remember to put the pieces back together, to put the members back together, put yourself back, like remember that there's more.

And the minute you kind of start dancing with that spark, because that sparks in you. And so sometimes we'll see it outside, we'll hear it in something and we'll say, and I always say, look, if you've heard it here, if you've read it in the book, whatever that looks like, then keep coming back to it because you're fanning that spark. And that spark is what's supposed to be alive and active and creating in the world, not the dimness that we often see around us.

Jo (Host)

Hmm. And that's such a beautiful process to witness, isn't it? When you see someone fan that spark and then it turns into a full blown raging bonfire and you see the woman emerge out the other side into her ancient wisdom, into her enoughness. I love that you said there's no certificate. There's no, there's no badge. There's no ribbon that says, congratulations, you've now made it. And yet we seem to think there is one.

Cortney McDermott (Guest)    

 Well, I mean, go back to those advertisers or go back to what society, you know, what the external is telling us? Totally cool if we bought into that for a while. Fine. But we can also now not just buy it, but invest in and create a whole new a whole new narrative for ourselves.

 Yeah, I actually was working with somebody who was coaching at the time, the sixth richest man in the world. She was his life coach. And she said, he's got all the same problems you do. He's worried about his kids. He's worried about his relationship. He's worried about his health. He's still worried about money because now he wants to be the fourth richest man in the world. So you think, wow, this was a literal billionaire. And it's still never enough. Fourth richest out of seven billion, well that we know of anyway.

Jo (Host)

And so that was also a smack in the face to me, a reminder of it's literally never enough as humans. think we're designed that way to just constantly want more.

Cortney McDermott (Guest)    

Well, I think that's the trap. I mean, that's what Buddha was talking about, but it's not real richness. And once you realize, OK, how do I pull myself? How do I extricate myself from that trap? That's when things really start shifting because the trap really essentially what it is, and this is kind of, you know, Buddha was talking about the Buddha was talking about desire,

But. really, it was our it was our clinging to the desire, the attachment to desire or the attachment to the pushing away of other things, right? So was really just this like, not this, not that, right? But the minute you start realizing that everything you're running away from and everything you're racing toward is in you.

 And you allow real wealth to emerge because real wealth and I mean, I'm telling you, I've sat in rooms with billionaires and I've sat in rooms with thought wars. And I can tell you that I've seen richness on all sides. But again, richness will never come from what you have in the bank account. And if you are truly rich, you actually don't have those concerns. You are trusting in life to come back to what we were talking about at the beginning of our time together.

Jo (Host)

Mm-hmm. What have you found on that journey to trusting yourself? You've spoken about resting and giving ourselves permission to get horizontal and to open up new, more feminine aligned ways. Any other thoughts on how women can build or rebuild this trust that they perhaps once used to have and how to get that back?

Cortney McDermott (Guest)    

Absolutely. I would say probably the first before you move into any of the other stuff is the body. You know, it that was such brilliant research around the body keeps the score. And I've seen it over and over in my own in my own practice is our bodies holding a lot. Our bodies are holding a lot. And lots of times we think something is psychological or we think whatever, but it's really stuck stagnant energy in our body.

And the more we start to learn how to move, and especially as females, the more we start to move, even I find lots of times in more sensual ways where we're softer, where it's not like, I mean, I'm telling, this is coming from the one who was the marathon runner. I was Forrest Gump for a while in my life, all the things, but it's coming from now the one who kind of luxuriates in the movement.

But I had to really unlearn so much, so many mechanical ways of treating my body and start to say, okay, you know, one of the greatest practices I found for this is something called shaking. I was at a retreat in the south of France and I was, it's called Coya and this woman, Rochelle, who leads it, she does this exercise called shaking.

And when she introduced us to this exercise, she said, okay, imagine a gazelle being chased to the grasslands by a tiger. Now the gazelle gets away. However, the gazelle does not go to therapy for the next 10 years about this time that this tiger was chasing her through the wetlands. What the gazelle does is she shakes through every part of her body, releasing the tension, releasing the fear and goes back to being a gazelle.

Now, when I first heard this, I could barely shake both of my legs. Like there was so much stuck energy in my body. was incredible. I had so much tension. I had so much built up. And you know, we see this too. Science is catching up that the EasternTraditions knew this all along, but the Western traditions are catching up with these brain-body scans and how our brains are sending chemical messengers down throughout our body, literally getting lodged into the various organs of our body.

And we can see how this is happening now, but we don't need to see it. We don't need any of the scans to feel it. Like, what does your body feel like at the end of the day? Have you been sitting in front of a computer? Like, can you shake it out? Can you go for a little walk around the block? That is already something huge.

And the more we start, again, just like the laying down for a couple of minutes, we start making these micro investments, we're going to start shifting the tides. I often tell people literally, please, and this is from Warren Buffett, don't test the depths of the water with both feet. Okay. I'm not asking you to jump in and see how deep it is. Okay. But what I will say is there's so much power in compound interest and Einstein called that the eighth wonder of the universe.

Cortney McDermott (Guest)

Compound interest essentially like if I talk about giving you a penny today and I say I'm going to compound that for a month, right? So day two, you've got two and then day three, four, eight, 16, et cetera. I'm going do that for one month or I'm going to give you 2.5 million right now. Most people will say, ironically, most people will jump right at the 2.5, but unless you're an amazing investor and unless you're in any other month, you know, aside from February and a leap year, like you made a bad, you made a bad guess, right? Because you're going over the 2.5 at day 29.

You're going over five at day 30 and you're going over 10 million at day 31. And the reason I'm saying this is because people start stuff and they only see pennies at the beginning and they think screw that. And they've been in a pattern. They've been in a set pattern. They have literally calcified into a persona. And so the decalcification of that will take you a beat, but it doesn't take this massive amount of effort all at once. I'm not saying that that might not work.

Intensives are great, but then you kind of bounce back into the recalcification. So it's like, what are the micro investments for me to answer your question and round it out here is micro investments in moving, in laying down, set a timer if you have to, if that's what you're accustomed to and set it for every, I don't know, 20, I like setting weird timer.

So it'd be like 22 minutes or, you know, a minute or an hour and then 11 minutes or something weird like that. And then that goes off and you say, okay, now it's time for me to lay down for, if you think you've got five, take 10 if you think you got one, take three, you know, just like, but a little bit, not so much that it's freaking you out, but just starting to relax. I'm telling you, relaxing will change everything and being more playful, learning how to, you know, move into your body in ways that feel like you're accessing and freeing up.

You talked in one of your recent podcasts, you talked about something like selfishness being some like freedom basically, but I don't know if you made that direct, if it was directly from that word, but it was really good. And I thought that, see, that's it, it's liberation.

How are you liberating the energy? It's really simple and there's different folks for different folks, there's strokes for different folks, but just, you know, see what resonates and just play. Yeah.

Jo (Host)

Yeah, there's definitely, I'm such a fan of the micro dose of things. And I feel like society has made us feel like there's a silver bullet for everything, whether it's health, wealth, whatever else. And I'm constantly drilling home to everyone in my community, little bit, little bit, just tiny thing, like one minute a day. It's the whole, just like the, you know, the compound interest.

If you were to be flying from here to Hawaii and you change your access just by one degree, then you're going to end up in a completely different place. But we undersell it. And that I feel is almost the challenge in many women having this awakening. There's this little voice inside them. They know they want to change, but they feel like change has to be huge. Whereas I feel like the more we can educate women to say, well, what if the change that you're actually seeking is to just lie down for two minutes in a day?

Jo (Host)

Pretty sure you got some time, because if I open up your phone, I'm gonna find probably at least an hour of scrolling in there. So there's an hour that you could probably lay down if you just get off your damn phone. So there is opportunities.

We just don't see them yeah, there are definitely many opportunities. I again, we have been also taught to to kind of get on our own case or feel guilty or whatever. Like we also need to fucking sorry, I'm swearing again, but we need to let go of all. OK, we need to let go of all of that as well. Right. Because we're so sometimes I'll use powerful languages in these moments because it's almost like we got to wake up. We got to wake back up, you know, and that involves us being supremely soft with ourselves, especially at first. 

You know, especially, I mean, the women listening to this, my God, I if you're listening and you've come this far, it really means you're committed to the possibilities that are endless in terms of reinvention.

Jo (Host)

Hmm. Yeah. And that's what it is, right? And I often say that it's not a midlife crisis. It's a midlife reawakening and a journey home that so many women are on. If you could hand every single woman listening a permission slip right now, what would you love to give them. 

Cortney McDermott (Guest) 

Ooh, my God, that's good. That's so good. I wanna say relaxation. Yeah, I wanna say relaxation. So I feel like we hear all this stuff, know, self care, meditation, blah, blah, and all of it feels more work. We need no work. Maybe I'll hand them the no work slip or like out of a free, what was that? Free pass, like a, you know, free pass on everything. You know, I would just hand them a free pass on everything. Yeah.

Jo (Host)

No, yeah, I love that! I'm with you. The more we can get a horizontal, what role do you see, one last question for you, what role do you see our nervous system playing when we do start to relax? We've spoken about the body and where everything's lodged. What shifts and what becomes more available when we do relax and let go of all this tension that we're holding?

Cortney McDermott (Guest) 

Well, the most obvious answer is that you're moving into parasympathetic responses, right? And so you're, again, the minute, what happens when you relax, when you, or sorry, when you lay down, when you get horizontal, right? Same thing with yawning, although slightly different. As soon as you do that, literally you're signaling your body and you're signaling your nervous system that you're safe.

I just want to stop right there. You're safe. Like so much of the time we're in this we're in our amygdala is activated. We're in this fight or fight response. We're in sympathetic response. And we think everything is that. And I'll tell you very, very few things truly are that I have this time model. And I think I included it in both books, actually, because it's so powerful.

When I started using this, it's kind of a hodgepodge of all these different time trainings that I had gotten over the years in leadership training and research. But what's beautiful about it is it comes down to what those truly important things are that aren't urgent, but that you can really kind of say, okay, I'm gonna put this first and flip the whole, because I often joke, we don't all have the same 24 hours in a day, and I truly do believe that. Because there's some wild time warping that's happened in my life and the life of the people I've worked with. And it's really just.

Okay, to answer that question about the nervous system is like, just let's focus on what is really important to us and have our nervous system start to feel safe in that. And the minute we feel safe, the minute everything else is gonna become more responsive and be more online.

Jo (Host)

That's how we unlock power and abundance and joy and peace and all those things, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think you've got plenty of evidence of it. I've seen plenty of evidence of it. And I love that there's so many of us sharing the same message about rest, about micro-dosing, about what's on the other side, if we can unlock a new way of being.

Cortney McDermott (Guest)

Absolutely, as far as I can tell, yeah. 

Jo (Host)

Thank you so much for sharing your time with us today, Court. It's been a fantastic conversation. If people want to learn more, you've written some amazing books, you've done some amazing work. Where can they find out?

Cortney McDermott (Guest)

Thank you, Joy and the job. And thank you so much to everybody who listened. I think I, you just said Joy and I was thinking, wow, she's Joy as anyway, Joe. And thank you so much to everyone who listened. And I, yeah, my name is spelled C-O-R-T-N-E-Y. So it's Cort C-O-R-T. And so you can find me pretty much anywhere online, Cortney McDermott without a U. so Cortney McDermott.com or as an incorporated.com and then we're also on Instagram and LinkedIn and I try to read all the messages.

We get so many messages about the book and about trainings and talks and stuff. So I try to really stay on top and hear what people are saying and the experiences they've had because I really appreciate it. So yeah, I'd love for people to stay in touch and contact us.

Jo (Host)

Absolutely. Well, we'll put all that below in the show notes. So if you want to, as I said, follow her on Instagram, she's got some great books and keep doing the work you do. We need more people out there and you're doing an amazing job.

Cortney McDermott (Guest) 

You too!