Balance & Beyond Podcast

What if one unexpected act of kindness could rewire a lifetime of armour?

We sit down with peak performance coach and life strategist Jessie Torres to trace a path from long-term abuse and unimaginable loss to a grounded, joyful life built on worthiness, boundaries, and fierce grace. Jessie doesn’t tell a story to blame; she tells a story to reveal how meaning is made, how microtraumas lodge in our bodies, and how we can choose a different future even when the past feels heavy.

We explore the moment generosity “short-circuited” her old beliefs, the EMT course that became a lifeline, and the slow, steady practices that helped her leave an unsafe marriage and rebuild at 38. Jessie shares a deeply human framework for healing: seek light inside the dark, use gratitude as a doorway when you can’t get out of bed, and stop arguing with reality so suffering doesn’t multiply the pain. Along the way, we talk about why high achievers numb with doing, how perfectionism hides a worthiness wound, and why success without fulfilment always feels empty—no matter the title, net worth, or trophies.

This conversation goes beyond concepts into patterns you can spot today: late-night self-talk that tells the truth, relationships fraying from disconnection, autoimmune flares mirroring inner chaos, and the weary cycle of weight lost and regained when self-criticism leads the way. Jessie outlines how to dismantle armour gently—naming what it protects, setting clean boundaries, allowing help without debt—and how mothers can put themselves first so the whole family steadies around a well-rested core. Beneath it all is a return to the self that never broke: your innate divinity, the part of you that existed before the armour and waits patiently under it.

Listen for a blend of story and strategy, practical steps with soul, and a reminder that grief can be proof of love—and a bridge back to life. If this resonates, share it with a friend who needs hope today, subscribe for more conversations that honour ambition without burnout, and leave a review to help others find the show.

Episode Transcript

INTRO: Welcome to Balance and Beyond, the podcast for ambitious women who refuse to accept burnout as the price of success. Here, we’re committed to empowering you with the tools and strategies you need to achieve true balance, where your career, relationships and health all thrive, and where you have the power to define success on your own terms. I honour the space you’ve created for yourself today, so take a breath, and let's dive right in…

Jo Stone (Host)

I am delighted to be joined by the amazing Jessie Torres, who is a peak performance coach and life strategist. Jessie has coached thousands of high performers, including billionaires, and was ranked in the top three in every category while at the top coaching company in the world.

Jessie's going to share with you her incredible stories of strength and power overcoming significant adversity. And yet, you will see in her a softness and heart that is to be admired. What she calls a "fierce grace". I've been lucky to hug Jessie in person and see this up and close over many years, and I'm delighted for you to meet her today.

Jessie Torres (Guest)

 Very much. you know, I share my story for one reason and one reason only. You know, it isn't to vilify my father. It isn't to vilify my ex-husband. It's not to blame and it's not to drama vomit. You know, it's more to share a story of what happened and the journey to get to where I am now because if you understand the depths of darkness is equivalent to the height of your light, then you start to see all that you've been through differently.

So, when I talk about having, you know, child abuse with my father for my first 18 years and abuse with my husband for the next 18 years, you know, of my life, getting to that point where now I'm just wishing somebody would blow the red light because I can't live this. If this is life, I can't live this way anymore.

And the only reason I didn't take my life was because of my kids, because I didn't want to do that to them. But I was praying somebody would do it for me. Because just take me out, or you know what, take him out. And then I could be the widow, and that wouldn't be so bad. And then I had guilt and shame over thinking such a horrible thing. So this was my vicious cycle.

And when people behaved with an act of kindness, I say it short-circuited my brain. I was like, I was very kept by my father. He told me everyone wants to get in my pants, which is what he was doing. My ex-husband said, don't talk about our marriage just to anybody because people subconsciously want to break up a good thing. So I wouldn't share with anybody what was going on in our marriage. I put the pretty face on, I put the makeup back on after crying after we drove for an hour to a family event.

And so people were basically out to get you or not to be trusted. That was the lenses I was taught to wear. So for the first time, I went out and took a course and these people were kind to me. It short-circuited my brain. I was like, why are you doing this for me? Throughout the course, it was an emergency medicine course. I thought my ex-husband was a police officer. And I'm like, I wanted purpose in my life. And I knew I wasn't going to be a cop.

I'm like, "I'm not going to be throwing anybody against a wall." "But what about a paramedic?" "I could be a firefighter, maybe." "At least that's saving lives." And that, I could do. And then my daughter's like, "Mum, you're going to see a little kid get hurt and you're going to start crying." And I'm like, "But if I'm prepared with knowing how to help, I think I can keep it together."

So I took an emergency medicine course, which was very hard to get permission because in my marriage, it was very confined. I didn't even know how to drive out of my own city. I was just to go to school and come back and make lunch for the kids and then go back. And it was just very, very kept. So I finally, after a long winded story, got permission to take this course and I absolutely loved it. And as I went through it, my ex-husband broke his tip fib on both legs and got in an accident and I ended up flunking. I was devastated.

Like my whole life, I'm the good girl. I wasn't like a straight A student, but if I got a C, I was stressing. You know what I mean? So now here, this thing is the first thing I've ever done for my life, the first thing I ever wanted to do. And I flunked. And the teacher at the time knew something was going on because it wasn't like me. That wasn't the exams I would take.

And he knew something was up. And he said, "What's going on?" And I told him. And I was going to the hospital in the morning to see my husband. I was going at lunchtime. I would go to home after work, feed the kids, go back to the hospital, stay there till 11 o'clock at night. And I had a 10 chapter quiz in emergency medicine. You can't flunk. You don't get a certificate. You're not going to be the 911 caller that goes out to somebody if you don't pass.

And so I explained to him what was going on. And he said, "I'll do you a favor." He said, "Look, I will not flunk you." "I will give you an incomplete if you promise to take the course again next semester." And I was like, "My god, yes." What he would do is he would have half the class would be lecture and then the other half would be scenarios. And so he allowed me to audit the class.

So I'd just go in there  and take notes and listen. When it came to that time to do scenarios, I became the patient. Everybody had to do mock 911 calls on. I was petrified. Like at this stage, I'm still coming out of living in shame. I look down at the ground. I don't make eye contact with anybody because that gets me in trouble. That's insinuating something. This is what I was taught to believe.

And so I was very, very nervous, but he would put me under stairwells, under cars, you know, and they had to come and strap me to a gurney. You I was like freaking out. But I loved it. I couldn't wait to get to that Saturday class. And these students, toward the end, they all chipped in money because I had made a montage video of all of them. They started out with mohawks and earrings and now they're standing at attention in uniform. And I videotaped the mock-scenarios.

I did all this stuff just because I thought it was awesome. And they pulled together money and bought me a Best Buy card, which is just an electronic store that it seems like nothing, but to me, it was like, "What do you mean, what?" "You're giving me this for what?" "For what reason?" "We just want to thank you, you're helping us learn." And it short-circuited my brain. I didn't believe that that could be so, that somebody could just be kind, just to be kind.

And it made the little tiny spark that was left in me come alive. And all of a sudden, I couldn't wait for that Saturday class. Every week, it was just eight-hour Saturday class, and I couldn't wait. I came alive. Something happened. And in that act of kindness, it gave me the courage to get out of my difficult marriage.

And it gave me just enough life, just enough breath to say, if this, I don't know what this feeling is, but if it's available, then life is worth living. And that gave me the courage to get out of my situation. And then now I'm 38 years old going, who am I? I truly didn't know. I'm like, I chameleon-ed myself to be whatever I needed to be to keep the peace. 

And so I became obsessed. I'm like, okay, I got to figure this out. I got three kids that are still watching me. My boys, I have twins. They were 17. My daughter was 15. And it was hard. It's like our world blew up because I was so good at, or I thought I was so good at hiding it. What I did was normalize it.

And so now that I didn't want it anymore, everybody's like, what the heck? Dad always gets mad. You know, this is what happens. We just bury our heads. Isn't that what we do? And now you want to break it up. Like, you know, it was very, very difficult, but I became obsessed in understanding human beings. I wanted to know why my dad did what he did, why my husband did what he did and why I allowed it.

And I started to read and pick up books, which I never would read before. I started listening to different webinars and seminars, and I just immersed myself in it. And from that has been a long journey of understanding human beings to the point of, you know, getting to that other side of that darkness into this beautiful light. And I know if I can do it, if I can will myself every day to somebody please take me out of this life, to enjoy life every day, so can you.

Jo Stone (Host)

Such a powerful message and a story that you tell with such grace and courage, even though I imagine that was not a very easy first 30 plus years of your life.

Jessie Torres (Guest)

No, it wasn't.

Jo Stone (Host)

Interesting you said though that the depths of our dark allows us access to the light. Can you share more on what that becomes available regardless of whatever past people have had often? There is a lot of shame there, how those two relate.

Jessie Torres (Guest)

For sure, and I'll start with explaining that in those first 38 years, there was also the murder of my brother, right? Where anger and sadness is justified, right? It's a justifiable emotion to stay in. But if we do that, we suffer. And what we're doing is we're arguing with something that happened, right?

It's like I say, "My brother should not have been killed." And he shouldn't have. But he did. So if I say he shouldn't and I stay with that belief, I sign up to suffer because now I'm arguing with the reality that he did. Right. And when you argue with reality, you lose 100 percent of the time. So even though the pain can be so profound and then 30 years later, two and a half years ago, my little brother was murdered.

So, now I've done all this work to get to where I've gotten. And I'm like, "What the heck, God?" Like, "I already checked that box!" "I already did that!" "I already lost a brother to murder." Like, "What? This can't be true." And at this stage in my life, I'd done so much of that work that I prayed about it. I literally said, "Okay, if both my brothers are meant to be taken, what do you want with me?"

I was seeking what it is, that is, "If I'm meant to live, and I'm meant to be here, what do I do with this pain?" And the message was crystal clear, "Jessie you have to eat your own medicine and I'm like my god he says if you're going to teach people to find light in the darkest moment you need to do that right now."

 

 So in that, I'm like, "Okay, you know, so in seeking for that, I'm now able to connect to the depths of my grief, and connect it to that the depth of my grief is equivalent to the depth of my love." Right? "If I didn't love this person, I wouldn't grieve so hard." So, I was able to feel that sense of love in the biggest parts of my pain.

I was able to see his daughters, the oldest ones who hadn't met before - they're all from different mothers - who joined together like they grew up together at the death of their father. I saw family show up like they never had before. I saw people post on my brother's page about how he changed their life. So there was always light to be found, but you have to seek it, even when it hurts so bad.

And the most magnificent part of that polarity, right? It's the polarity of life. It's the yin yang and it's the "fierce grace", right? It's the depth of our darkness is equivalent to the height of our light. If we don't know that pain, we can't know the equivalent of ecstasy, of love, of joy, of exuberance like that. don't have a contrast.

So there's a saying by Mr. Rogers. I'm old enough to know who Mr. Rogers is. And he used to work with the children, right? And when 9-11 happened, he said, you know, the children were scared because the parents kept watching the Twin Towers go down on repeat on the news, right? And so the children were scared. They don't understand what's going on. And the parents are worried. And so Mr. Rogers would get down on their level. And he said, "Whenever there is chaos, there's helpers. Look for the helpers."

And when you think about that message, know, even in 9-11, you're seeing firefighters running into the fire. You know, you're seeing police officers carry wounded people out. You're seeing somebody hold the hand of someone who might be taking their last breath. Like there's beauty all around, but when the darkness feels so big, sometimes it's hard for us to see it. So we have to be actively looking for it.

Jessie Torres (Guest)

Even if you're so hurt because I've had someone ask me, well, that's good wealth for you, Jessie, but you don't understand. I viscerally can't get out of bed. I am so sad. I am so heartbroken. And although I can totally appreciate that, just start with one moment of gratitude, just one. If you have a child or if you have a relative that's by your side or if you wake up and you take a breath, be grateful for it.

And if you use gratitude as a doorway to open up just a little light. It doesn't mean you have to get over what you're grieving in the immediacy. I'm not being unrealistic. I want you to feel your feelings, but I don't want you to suffer. So as you start every day with one little bit of gratitude, you let a little bit more light shine in, a little bit more light shine in, and as you do that, you start to unfold other things you were grateful for. Now you're remembering the beauty of the relationship you had, right? Versus only the pain of the loss

Jo Stone (Host)

Hmm. How do you begin to let that armor down? Because I imagine over those 38 years, you become, you said you didn't know what color was your favorite. You didn't know what food you liked. You would have put on a lot of armor to keep yourself safe.

And this is what I know a lot of listeners of this podcast, carrying their own version of armor, while everybody's backgrounds are different and women often might then feel guilt that their background perhaps hasn't been as traumatic as yours has and what have I got to complain about when Jessie's sharing, you know, these, these horrific things that have happened to her.

But it's interesting that the response is often the same, isn't it? It's this armor. can be a shutdown. It can be a numb to feelings. Given you've coached so many high performers, what do you see apart from that trauma? What are the patterns there with that armor?

Jessie Torres (Guest)

Absolutely, and you bring up such a great point, Jo. Like, we always identify trauma with big trauma, right? Whether it's rape or sexual abuse or all these things that we attribute it, which of course it is. But I say trauma is whatever the child made meaning of in the moment of the experience. Meaning, if you have a five-year-old and you go to the grocery store and that five-year-old's playing in the aisle with toys while you grab stuff, and then you go to the end of the aisle to grab something.

You can see him, but he can't see you. He lifts up his head and screams for you, right? It takes not even 10 seconds. And she's like, I'm right here. There's no abuse, no foul play. But in that moment, the child anchors, I could be left behind. I could be abandoned. That moment of contraction and fear because he couldn't see his mother caused that. I say it's a microchip that gets put in our unconscious conditioning.

Now he's 35 and he can't keep a relationship because he's possessive, controlling, and insecure. And he can't understand why. And he doesn't know that it's attributed to that moment in the grocery store. So it isn't just about Big T trauma. It's all the traumas that happen underneath. Even when my husband and I got married, you know, he had come from a very abusive alcoholic mother. He would come home to his sister's unconscious on the floor. It was brutal.

So when we got together and we shared our stories, I was 18, he was 21, you super young. And we thought, you know, he said, well, my kids will never see me drunk. And I said, my kids will never be molested. And we thought we fixed it, right? We didn't understand the emotional armor that we had built around our own hearts.

I was conditioned that my dad would yell and call us stupid. So, okay, so he is very vulgar and 10 times worse, but it's similar to my dad. So guess this is just the way life is. I didn't know it could be different. So my frequency and what I believed in my armor was just make sure everything is done so he doesn't get angry. So if he can't find his comb and he's in a rage fit, I bought 10 of them so I can have them as backup. I learned how to be very resourceful so that I wouldn't have those explosions, right?

So there's all these behaviors that show up when I work with people, especially high achievers. They think, no, I'm good. Not mad at my mom and dad. I had a good upbringing or I forgave. It's good. I'm all good. That's not it. Right, and I appreciate that. And in the work we do, it's not therapy.

So we're not going to dig up the past to blame, but we are going to look at patterns and where the child created a meaning that has caused limitation today so that we have understanding. And now we can heal that part because what's important to remember is that the healing doesn't happen outside of you. It happens within you.

Oftentimes we think, "If my dad would just apologize, then I'd be all good." It doesn't work that way. It's within us. We think it's outside of us, or "I'll never marry someone like my father." So that's it. And then you don't realize you attract exactly your father or you attract the exact opposite that has no polarity because you're so determined, right?

And so you don't realize that it's the wound leading the way. And so what we have is a lot of wounding, creating relationships, building families, opening businesses. And for some, gets them to a certain place.

But if they find themselves exhausted, burnt out, tired, like no fulfillment, they got money, got jet skis, they got the boats, they got the cars, they got the kids, and they are depressed. And they think that their worthiness is on the next achievement. If I just do that one thing, if I just pass this exam, or if I just get this, you know, $5 million marker, you know, if I just get the trophy then, and it's a cat chasing its tail. It's never enough because they're trying to heal outside of themselves, not inside.

Jo Stone (Host)

Hmm. What do you find is the catalyst for whether you call it an awakening or a wake up moment where someone says, "I'm going to stop chasing that tail."

Have you seen any patterns in that moment where people wake up? Because as you said,  most people listening to this podcast are chasing their tail, of some kind. They're chasing a title, a promotion, money, a house, you name it. But what causes that shift?

Jessie Torres (Guest)

A couple of things. I mean, it varies, but for one particular client that I had, if you looked at her profile, she looked like she had everything. And her husband was about to ask for a divorce. Because he's like, you're at the soccer games, but you're not even there. You're on your phone the whole time. We haven't connected. We haven't had intimacy. You know, you're waking up late. Now she started to sleep in because she was so depressed, right? So the relationship's falling apart. That's a pattern.

Another one is what do you go to bed at night telling yourself? What's the conversation in your head when you're going to sleep? How did I get here? You know, I don't even recognize the person next to me. I don't recognize the person I am. This isn't where I thought I'd get. Or they're exhausted, tired, you know, the money isn't enough. It's not fulfilling. It's like "That's all cool, but I'm still empty."

I remember coaching a billionaire who came to his first session and asked me specifically, please teach me how to just be, because I've been doing my whole life. And he was on his fifth marriage. His children didn't talk to him. And he was tired of hiring a massage therapist just for physical touch.

The man could buy an island and his soul was poor. So there's a lot of indicators and patterns. Some, it's just unhealthy. They've got autoimmune things happening because their inner world is a reflection. 

 It's like what's going on in their inner world? What kind of dialogue? What kind of self-hate? What kind of self-talk do you have? What's going on there? And they show up with illnesses, right? Or they're overweight. It's not just about going to the gym. It's about, you you can go to the gym, but if your mindset is still, I hate you when I look in the mirror, we're not going to get anywhere. Or you'll lose weight, gain weight, lose weight, gain weight. I did that most of my life.

Jo Stone (Host)

There is something to be said for that weight that we carry, isn't there? The internal weight, the emotional weight, and then it can come on in a variety of ways.

Jessie Torres (Guest)

Mm-hmm, very much. 

Jo Stone (Host)

Yeah. You mentioned this, often you call it a whirlpool that high achievers chasing that next achievement can get stuck. And what do you see is behind, what are some of the needs that people are looking to fulfill in trying to escape that whirlpool? You and I spoke previously about, you know, that need for control, whether it's the perfectionism, what are you seeing sits behind that?

Jessie Torres (Guest)

Well, it boils down to worthiness one way or another. You know, there's different stories. There was a gentleman who was raised by his father who was an ex-Marine. So at three years old, he put a heavy backpack on his back and made him jog to preschool. know, like so his father basically told him, if you're not number one, you're nothing, right?

So he's chasing, "Am I nothing without the achievement?" But he doesn't know it. He's just got to achieve, I got to achieve, I got to get the next thing, I got to get the next thing. Because if I don't, that means I'm nothing, I'm a loser. Or you have the other lady who a friend of the family told her that she'd never be as good as her sister. So she lived in comparison her whole life and they were in the same business. And now she's comparing herself to her sister's success and then to every other woman's success and then to her success of last year.

It's like, there's all these things where you realize, "What am I doing?" Like, "This is not bringing me fulfillment!" And like, we say, "You can have success, but success without fulfillment, is empty."

Jo Stone (Host)

Absolutely. So, from your perspective, that transition, putting the walls down, getting rid of the armour is something that it's the place that we have to stop.

Jessie Torres (Guest)

First, you have to acknowledge that it's there. You may not realize it right and again it started from when you the first time you lost safety. Think about it as children even if we're innocently go to you know kindergarten and a kid takes our lunchbox and eats our favorite snack or mom put in there you know it's like "Why would they do that?" "We don't understand at that age right?"

So now, the next day, that child is going to grip his lunch pill a little tighter, right? "Gonna try to hide it." Hypervigilance is created, safety was broken, right, and so boom, first armor goes up. You know, we have to realize that the armor that we've created around our hearts have been done in our unconscious knowing. It's just human existence, right?

So, I spoke in front of these, this group of women, about 200 women, and great questions. This lady raises her hand, she's talking about, you know, all this adversity and how the adversity shapes you into who you are and you can become stronger and all these things. She goes, "So what do we do when we're trying to help our children not have the pain that we had and we're trying to save them from that?" Are you telling me that we should give them a hard life so that they can appreciate the good? And it was such a great question, right?

Because it feels confusing if I'm saying, hey, your adversity makes you resilient and courageous and strong because you're still here. And I said, no, you continue to be the wonderful parent that you are, and do the best you can with your children because guess what? Life is going to knock them down. Life is going to do it to them.

So you don't have to do the best you can to give them the best life, but know that they're going to have breakups. Someone's going to break their heart. A teacher might say something unkind, just something as small as handing back a paper with a D on it, let's just say, and the teacher looking at you as he hands you the paper, say, you're going to have a rough life.

Just like, the thought that just came out of his mouth, is now a microchip in that child's brain. I'm gonna have a rough life. So now guess what? That's an unconscious chip in the brain and the operating system of the mind and now guess what? His belief is I'm gonna have a rough life. So guess what kind of life he has? A rough one. Because that's what he attracts, because that's what he believes all he's worthy of.

So these are the things we have to unravel and take a look at. What are those things? And those are all armored pieces that get moved around our hearts so much that we move away from who we really are and we show up in life as a version of us hoping it's good enough to be loved.

And then we meet someone and then they love the part we showed them. And then we're insecure because we think, well, if they met who I really am, they would leave me. And then again, it's a cat chasing its tail, all this armor.

So the outcome is one, to acknowledge us there. We all do it, we all do it! I hope everybody hears that. Every single one of us does it. And it isn't. It's not with our permission. The five year old did not say, "Insert: I could be abandoned, so I can live my life with that fear." Right? We don't do it with conscious awareness. It's just a human experience. This is what we do.

So then when we get old enough to recognise,"I know there's more for me and I don't know how to get it." Or "I'm not feeling good." I have everything I could possibly want. "Why am I not happy?" "Do you know that when I ask people, "Are you happy?'" That 9 times out of 10, the answer is either, "I don't know." Or "Well, I'm not unhappy." I'm like, "Okay, well, so are you happy?" And then the answer is typically, "Well, no, because I don't own a home yet." "When I own a home, then I'll be happy."

And I'm like, "You realize you can be happy while you get a home, right?" It is a choice. But sometimes, it's the belief that there's nobility in suffering. I know if I worry about my bills, it'll show how much I care. Don't do it. Worry is like praying for what you don't want. Don't do it. You're sending your energy somewhere. Send your energy into the version of you you want to be.

And I promise you that who that person is already lives inside of you behind the armour. Once we unravel the armor, you get to see your divinity. You get to see the perfection you are. You were created by this magnificent creator in perfection. And if you look at a baby, an infant, I had my friend's six day old child, his little boy, his name was Timothy. And I'm looking at his little knuckles and I'm like, my God, just divine perfection.

And then I thought to myself, "What makes us any different?" Only the belief. That's it. We're still that divinity. And when we drop all that armor, we come back to that pureness. We come back to that divinity. We come back to that beauty. And from there, we're unstoppable. There's nothing we can't do. We come alive. And that's the outcome of "Fierce Grace", it's to help you come alive.

Jo Stone (Host)

The world changes, especially when women come alive, doesn't it?

Jessie Torres (Guest)

Absolutely, absolutely! They don't have that saying, if mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy for nothing. And a big part of it is because we are emotion. We are the divinity. We're like the ocean. We're calm and serene and beautiful. And we're thunderous. And we're loud. And we're waves. It's the mosaic of who we are as women. We're all of it. And that's magnificent. But we feel everything.

So when someone says, "How are you doing?" And you're like, "Fine." "We all know." And even our children know. We try to put a smile on our face and we say, "Everything's okay!" But children are so intuitive. And they know when mama is not happy. So then guess what? You start to shape the class clown. You start to shape, "I'll just achieve if it makes mom happy."

Or you'll have a child that starts to be funny and then, out of her sadness, she laughs at something he did. All of a sudden it's like, if I'm funny, I bring happiness to my mother. And now you have a 30 year old who's a comedian, a class clown, and who has wit, you know, and comes up. And it's all from those things. This is what happens. That's why it's imperative for us as women and us as mothers to check in with ourselves. We think we have to go last. We think everyone has to come before us and you're wrong.

You are the center. You're the hub. And when you're in joy, when you take care of you, the whole house benefits. So if you're in satiation, if you're in fatigue and you say it's because you want everybody to have their part, you want everyone to be okay, you're doing a disservice because they will be okay on the heels of you being okay because you're completely different when you're rested, when you're taken care of, when you're not sacrificed, right?

I've coached people that actually, and they feel horrible saying it, but they have resentment toward their children. And they start bawling because they hate even saying such a thing because they love their children so much. But because they haven't set proper boundaries, because they haven't taken care of themselves, they're exhausted.

And now one little thing kids will do, you know, they'll keep bugging. Now all of a sudden she snaps. Right. And then she feels guilt, and then she feels resentment. "Why can't I just get a minute?" "Just one minute?!" "I just want to go to the bathroom!" You know what I mean? And it's not their fault. It's because we haven't set those boundaries.

Jo Stone (Host)

It's a beautiful sense of accountability that has to happen, isn't there, for us to put ourselves first and put down that conditioning and decide that we're worth it.

Jessie Torres (Guest)

That's right. And believe that it matters to the whole.

Jo Stone (Host)

Yeah. Such a powerful message, Jessie. This has been an amazing conversation. feel like those days when you and I got to hug in person, I got to see you on stage, talk to a room of hundreds of people and you could always hear, you could hear a penny drop. So it's been wonderful for you to share your wisdom in your gorgeous way. If people wanted to learn more about you, where's the best place for them to do that?

Jessie Torres (Guest)

They can go to IamFierceGrace.com and there's multiple ways to work with me. I do offer any of your listeners a free consult. It's just an opportunity to see where you're at and if I can serve you, I'll definitely show you how and if I can't, I'll point you in the right direction. So there's a lot of different ways you can work with me on there but if you don't know, just hit let's connect and schedule a call. I'd love to chat.

Jo Stone (Host)

Well, thank you so much for this chat. I hope you have been enamored by Jessie's story, her fierce grace, and it's such a beautiful word to describe you. So thanks again, Jessie.

Jessie Torres (Guest)

Thank you! Appreciate it, Jo.