THE BALANCE & BEYOND PODCAST
#165: What If You Don't Actually Need Better Boundaries?
If switching off from work feels harder than it “should”, it might not be a boundary problem at all.
We’re talking about the hidden reason so many high-performing women keep drifting back to email, Teams, and “just one more thing” even after they’ve learned all the right productivity tools: work is often the only part of life we’ve intentionally designed.
We dig into why work can feel like intellectual crack, complex problems, clear frameworks, a sense of control, and a steady hit of significance. Then we name the uncomfortable flip side: home can feel like a second shift of logistics, errands, appointments, washing, and mental load. When that’s what waits on the other side, no wonder “work-life balance” sounds good but feels impossible to live.
From there, we shift the question from “Where do I draw the boundary?” to “What am I building beyond it?” We explore how to give your personal life the same strategic attention you give your career, including your relationship, health, friendships, sisterhood, creativity, play, and the parts of learning that aren’t monetised. We also call out the trap of turning self-discovery into another optimisation project, and why real change requires space, experimentation, and permission to change your mind.
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Episode Transcript
INTRO: Welcome to Balance and Beyond, the podcast for women who've outgrown the old model of success. The ones who look fine on the outside but know the way they've been living no longer fits. If you're standing in the space between who you were and who you're becoming, this is for you. Honour the space you've created today. Let's dive in.
We spend decades building our careers with extraordinary intention. We often think about the roles we want, the work that really matters to us, how we can lead, where we're going next. And then somehow the rest of our life is just expected to happen. So when work is interesting, challenging, and makes us feel bloody good at something, and when everything waiting outside of it feels like dinner logistics and another load of washing, is it really that surprising that we struggle to switch off? Maybe we need to spend less time talking about where the boundary goes and start asking what we're building on the other side of it. Over the last few weeks, a very similar conversation has been surfacing, which is fascinating. These are women who came to me absolutely cooked years ago. They've done the 70, 80 hour weeks where work has consumed everything. They've then done the work on themselves. They've come in, they've got the tools, they've got the strategies, they've shifted their identity. And they now have this beautiful scaffolding. They understand boundaries, they've got focus time, they're saying no and delegating. They're really intentional about how they want to show up. They've done the work on understanding why work matters to them. Where does their energy want to go? And what type of leader do they want to be? It's work. They're knocking it out of the puck. And yet, in multiple of these clients, there's this little whisper, this little wobble of things quietly creeping back in.
Now let's be clear, they didn't suddenly lose the ability to put in boundaries. What has been happening is amidst a lot of work uncertainty, whether they're restructures, gnarly projects, next career moves presenting themselves, there becomes this question of do I even want this anymore? I call this the upper limit territory. Our unfamiliarity increases because we are reaching new bounds, new new bounds of where my boundaries need to be. And those old successful patterns suddenly become really seductive again. Our work offers this intellectual crack. It's like complex problems, frameworks. We can find ourselves down AI rabbit holes. We're doing research. We've got more things to figure out. Like our brain is so stimulated. It feels productive and it's stimulating and it's satisfying. And it's what so many of us get a kick doing. We feel good at it. We feel like we are genuinely, mostly in control. We add value, we have a reputation. And then we say, gosh, you're working. You need to switch off. Or you need to have better boundaries, or you need to manage your personal life. Well, switch off and do what?
What exactly are you asking yourself to leave all of that for? The big trend I'm seeing is women are now reaching this point where they've realized their personal life has never been intentionally designed. It's always been whatever fits around work. Home life typically involves cooking, groceries, errands, life admin, driving children or parents to appointments, to sport, to things, family obligations, washing, mental load. So why would I ever want to stop stimulating cognitively challenging work to arrive home to a second shift where everybody wants another piece of you? Where there's no significance, where there's not that cognitive challenge apart from working out the complicated logistics of getting three different people at four different places at the same time. It's a different kind of cognitive challenge. And so is it any wonder that we're left staring at bedtime and a load of washing and we're like, ooh, I better check my email. I better jump back into my teams. Work is so alluring because we feel so much better there. And as you finally start to get space, whatever that may look like for you, you don't know what to do with it. It can feel really unsettling to have this life, this season that is insanely busy. And then suddenly it opens up for whatever reason. It could be school holidays, it could be illness, it could be whatever. And now you're on the couch. You're scrolling, you're binging Netflix. You're sitting there feeling like you have to be productive while horizontal, because otherwise you're wasting this precious time to get job on admin. Sometimes you are incapable of relaxing because you've never taught yourself how to do it. But sometimes you haven't actually had enough space or created enough space to discover what actually fills you up.
We have spent decades answering these career questions. And usually we have to do it at least once a year in our job. What do we want? What have we achieved? What have been our outputs? What's our development plan? Where are we headed? Where's the next role? Yada, yada, yada. But how often have you given that same level of strategic attention to your personal life? Have you sat down and thought about where is your relationship? Where do you want this to be in five years? Have you sat down and thought about your health and said, well, what do I want my body to be capable of at 60 or 70 or 80? When it comes to your friends, who are your people? Who actually sees you beyond the people you see on the side of the cricket field or while you're waiting outside some kind of activities? Do you have sisterhood? Do you have connection? Are you aligned with something bigger than you? Do you even know how to play or to access creativity or joy learning that isn't monetized or professionally useful? Just doing something for the sake of doing it. So many women don't know the answer to this question of what makes me feel alive when nobody is giving me a gold star for it. And I can't turn around and say, well, it's going to help me for my job, and my job gets me my money, and yada yada yada. Unfortunately, too many women often wait for the health crisis to hit, where usually it's like, oh, I have no choice now but to focus on this because I've hit perimenopause or I'm in a relationship wobble or I'm incredibly lonely or I've burnt out before our non-professional life earns that kind of strategic attention. But you don't have to wait for the crisis moment to actually go, hmm, what if I was as intentional about this as I was in my career? And there are many families like mine who are in this really interesting transition as their kids start to get older. We had years where the personal life had built-in purpose and logistical gymnastics. There was always something to do, somewhere to be, someone who needed me, something that needed prepping or washing or whatever else. And now, as the kids are starting to get a bit more independent, their activities are shifting, this space is starting to appear. And like you, it's forcing me to ask myself this question of what I actually want to do with this. And then the one that stumps us, oh my god, shoot, am I actually anymore? And those deeper questions can feel really, really uncomfortable. Perhaps even me just saying them is making you scream a little. Whatever you're doing right now.
So in order to avoid this discomfort, what so many women do is go, right? I'm gonna get busy finding out who I am. So I know I'm gonna go on a board and join a committee and take on this extra volunteer role and do a course, and I'm gonna start a side hustle and then have this other hobby, and I'm going to get to state titles. And suddenly they're pursuing finding themselves like an Olympic qualification or like this optimization project that right, for these three months, I'm gonna focus on this, and then after I've been a naturopath, then I'm gonna do this, and I'm gonna do that. Now, it's really, really easy to recreate work outside work. I am all for a phased implementation plan and priorities, don't get me wrong. However, what I don't want you to do is turn busy just into a slightly different looking busy. I don't want KPIs for friendship and a color-coded activity plan of all the new hobbies that you're going to try. Because all you are doing is filling every available square minute of space with something. And unfortunately, sitting in the space of what's in my personal life, who am I, requires space. You need room to find out what you like now. And this is not what 35-year-old liked, what 15-year-old liked, what you think you should like, or what your family needs, or what looks productive, or what would be good for your career. There's a chance that you've spent so long knowing what everyone else needs from you, that what do I want actually is going to take some work. It's going to take some introspection, it's going to take some experimentation, revisiting your views of failure because you might have always wanted to try horse riding. And five-year-old you loved horses, and now here you are in the position with a little bit of space, a little less skill, you're going to do it. And you have two lessons and go, oh, I hate that. And then you can sit there in this journey and go, but I thought I'd really like horse riding. Now, 47-year-old you is trying to be loyal to five-year-old you who thought she wanted something that she didn't actually really understand. So the questions and the way we start approaching life completely shifts.
Instead of saying, I finish work at five or six, trying to hold that work boundary while during that time you're satiated. It's uncremoned. You're intelligent. You feel good. Your life scaffolding starts asking the question why does finishing at five or six matter to me? There has to be something compelling on the other side of your boundary. Otherwise, you will collapse it every single time. You have to have a relationship that you want to be inside. What is the body that I want to inhabit? What is the vitality that I want to own? Here are the friendships that I want to deepen. Here are the experiences that I want to have. Here's the time that I want to get to know and sit with myself. If that is what's on the other side of the work boundary, well, then stopping work isn't suddenly deprivation. You're not dragging yourself away from the most interesting and cognitively challenging part of your life because someone said boundaries are important. Work gets to be important for most of us. It's where we get our significance, it's where we get all of that juice and that cognitive challenge. But it doesn't have to be the only place you feel that way. You can be valued, you can feel alive, you can feel connected in other spaces. Because maybe some of your recurring boundary problems aren't actually boundary problems. Maybe you've built an incredibly intentional career, but a surprising accidental life. And so I ask you this: if you gave your life outside work the same thought and intentionality you've given your career, what would you start building?
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